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Zita'sMom
post Sep 25 2008, 12:09 PM
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Thoughts:

I continue to ask for guidance from the angels/spirit world/God/you-fill-in-the-blank and I have had some very warm feelings at times, as well as cold chills in my body.

Songs pop into my head again, like "Raindrops keeping falling on my head", but the one that gave me shivers, especially in light of other pets being shot was the song "One Voice" by Barry Manilow.

Here's a link (Dottie, I wish I could easily figure out the fancy stuff you do.):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKPWzLgvgW4...feature=related

It's not the best imagery, but at least you can sing along. smile.gif

The words:

One Voice

Just One Voice,
Singing in the darkness,
All it takes is One Voice,
Singing so they hear what's on your mind,
And when you look around you'll find
There's more than

One Voice,
Singing in the darkness,
Joining with your One Voice,
Each and every note another octave,
Hands are joined and fears unlocked,
If only

One Voice
would start it on its own,
We need just One Voice facing the unknown,
And that One Voice would never be alone
It takes that One Voice.
Would never be alone
It takes that One Voice.

Just One Voice
Singing in the darkness,
All it takes is One Voice,
Shout it out and let it ring.
Just One Voice,
It takes that One Voice,
And everyone will sing!


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Zita'sMom
post Sep 25 2008, 12:20 PM
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I've mentioned this in another post -a friend of mine was talking to me the other night about the pain we go through in life.

These are personal thoughts and philosophies and we don't necessarily all share the same views, but here's a thought anyway. I am starting to think that life here is not as real as the spirit world side. Gordon Smith, a medium, talks about what he believes about re-incarnation. Someone asked him what would happen if someone close re-incarnated before the other passed to the spirit world - would that person not be there to greet them? He said that he believes the soul on the other side continues their own life as the other part of the soul here carries on their earth life (not in those words exactly). If that is true, then what we live here is more like a dream and the other side is the real part. We are just unaware while we are "awake" that we are constantly in touch on other levels. That would mean right now, on other levels, are in touch with our deceased loved ones including our fur family. It stretches the mind I know... but on the other hand it is a comforting thought.

Life is really a sort of "game", a challenge, a journey. Our pain is there so we can grow. It doesn't make it any less painful and at times I know myself, I have become quite negative rather than rising to the challenge. This is where I think it is so important to reach out to each other, to fuel each other and lift each other up. It is the sense of unity and belonging and oneness that seems to be the only thing here that really "matters".

just my thoughts.

Jan.
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post Sep 25 2008, 02:26 PM
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Oy!......this story just keeps getting worse and worse! That poor doggie, too, and his/her family! What is becoming of all the places in the world?!?! I can only hope it's like the proverbial storm before the calm (worldwide, that is).

I know many, many Intuitives have been saying that animals, as well as human animals, have been leaving this realm in record numbers in the last while (say, the last 2-3 yrs.), and that there's a highly significant, spiritually-based reason behind this, but that also only brings a tiny modic*um of comfort in the finding meaning for those of us who've 'lost' them. *sigh* They say, since they're so in-tune with the higher realms to begin with, that many are going as a means of helping to prepare us, energetically, for the Great Shift in human consciousness that's underway right now. I can only hope this is so, as it's so NOBLE a reason for taking one of the soul-designed 'outs' in their lifetimes, no matter how that 'out' came about. And I think were it me, in the case of such a sudden and tragic departure of my baby, that's about the only small comfort I might find regarding "reasons" thereof!

Your prayer was simply lovely and your soul is showing such wisdom in the construction of those words and thoughts. As for your further thoughts re: Gordon Smith, it is also said (and actually experienced by many fortunate and diligent people.....AND from of the animals that TELL them it's so!) that we all live in parallel dimensions, all at once, because linear Time is nothing more than a construct of our ego in this earthly plane, and does not really exist in the Whole of Creation......which easily explains how we could actually be in more than one place at one 'time', or even several places. As they also say, that's why we're never 'bothering' our loved ones if we yak to them all the time or ask questions of them either in an informal or formal communing. They can be off doing their own work (whatever that might be according to the individual) and yet still be with us &/or listening or talking to us at the same 'time'. You know that old quote about life being but a dream? -- this life here is but a mere FRAGMENT of what the Whole of Life is all about! Frankly, I can hardly WAIT to experience this for myself, either while still on this one, lone plane, or after I'm 'gone', too. But sooner would be nicer and would lend itself to more peace, for sure! To be one of the humans who could traverse more than one dimension in a fuller way and then not just believe it's so, but KNOW it from within.....now that's a dream worth exploring!

And so, when we get these little 'hits' of other dimensions, through our furkids showing us that there's much more than meets the physical eye, we should sit up and take serious notice, for they are trying to prove it to us in whatever ways they can, or that we can allow in.

Right now I'm (also) reading "Shapeshifting With Our Animal Companions" by Dawn Baumann Brunke, where it is mainly her (now 'gone') dog, Barney (who is obviously not just a "dog" in the fullness of his Being), who explains and shows her all this and more. It's a somewhat challenging read in parts, but well worth it.

But delving into all these sorts of things and ways of seeing and being, challenging what we thought we knew, or believed.....is often propelled BY the (to us, so sorrowful) departures of our beloved kidlets, just as it's been for countless others on this path at this 'time'. It does help us find at least some meaning in the wake of physical death, and we are always being helped and guided by those unseen, who love us and who never leave our sides even when we feel utterly alone. We ARE them and they ARE us, in the final ana*lysis, and so yes, sharing aspects of ourselves with others is paramount to returning to our Wholeness. We ARE supposed to be that One Voice, but singing through 'individual' aspects of our Oneness. And while our learning doesn't have to come from painful experiences, it very often just does.

Thanks for sharing all that you have here. That continues to help me, too, wub.gif even after (I'll say "only yet the seeming eternity of") 25 months without the physical presence of my girl here. It's helpful to have these momentary 'breaks' from sheer, torturous grief, to help balance our journeys through such pain, they also being yet another necessary part of that whole, long road.

There's also another perspective I'd like to share here, about pain and the lessons that can come from it. To be honest, I still sort of 'waffle' on this particular one (because it's still very painful in some ways), so it's still in flux. But I had sort of an epiphany awhile ago, regarding my father and the legacy of pain he created in his time on earth. While I'd thought of this before, it seemed to sink in even deeper after I learned that he'd died (and no one even told me, making for even more complicated reactions). If not for the sheer amount of painful things he did in his lifetime here, and despite always having had a deeper connection to animals, perhaps, just perhaps, that connection wouldn't have spurred me on in the exact and specific ways it has, had he not shown me such a marked contrast to Love. And taking this one step further, perhaps it was even written into our soul agreements before incarnating here, that he would essentially 'be an A-hole' to us all, in order for me to grow into where I've grown (so far) while here. So, in fact, perhaps this WAS a form of Love in disguise, in order to get me where I am, spiritually, today. Perhaps it was a twisted-looking, yet still actual gift to me and for me? I'm willing to consider the possibility, at least, of things not looking like Love, but Love still being the driving force behind even such horrid events on this plane. I know this may sound to many like a great stretch, but it certainly takes some of the edge off so much past and even current pain for me, and even helps me marry all these concepts together into a logical and cohesive whole. Having said that, it has taken the bulk of my life to even begin to see it (and him) this way, so these lessons can take a long, long time to come to fruition, much less acceptance. And on the surface, I'm nowhere near peaceful about it all, but someday, maybe this will all fall into place and I'll KNOW for sure.

I guess we all have to take solace in whatever we can find that gives us that solace, and that all helps the Whole, too.


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Zita'sMom
post Sep 30 2008, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (Furkidlets' Mom @ Sep 25 2008, 03:26 PM) *
As for your further thoughts re: Gordon Smith, it is also said (and actually experienced by many fortunate and diligent people.....AND from of the animals that TELL them it's so!) that we all live in parallel dimensions, all at once, because linear Time is nothing more than a construct of our ego in this earthly plane, and does not really exist in the Whole of Creation......which easily explains how we could actually be in more than one place at one 'time', or even several places.

.....this life here is but a mere FRAGMENT of what the Whole of Life is all about! to prove it to us in whatever ways they can, or that we can allow in.



Yes - this all "feels right" to me. I don't know how it works exactly but it seems our physical existence is just one small fragment as you said, and part of our human condition is a lack of understanding the full consciousness. But I do think we get glimpses, and the more open we become, the more glimpses we get.

I spoke to a medium a couple of days ago who heard a "meow" when I asked about Ziggy. She said she saw (in her minds' eye) a cat on a chair with a cushion, and Ziggy had such a chair. I mentioned that I had heard a small meow in my office as well, and she validated that as a visit. She also told me that when she was very young she had a beloved cat who ate rat poison and she found it dead. That night she awoke to the cat kneeding at the bottom of her bed. She was frightened and didn't understand, but later realized the blessing offered by this visit.

But everything you said sounds good to me. I guess our belief systems help us to cope. It's like my idea of imagining that Ziggy is with someone else, who looks after her not just as well, but even better than me. That helps me to send her loving thoughts and not thoughts full of fear.


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Right now I'm (also) reading "Shapeshifting With Our Animal Companions" by Dawn Baumann Brunke, where it is mainly her (now 'gone') dog, Barney (who is obviously not just a "dog" in the fullness of his Being), who explains and shows her all this and more. It's a somewhat challenging read in parts, but well worth it.


I will look for this - sounds interesting.


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It does help us find at least some meaning in the wake of physical death, and we are always being helped and guided by those unseen, who love us and who never leave our sides even when we feel utterly alone. We ARE them and they ARE us, in the final &%^ysis, and so yes, sharing aspects of ourselves with others is paramount to returning to our Wholeness. We ARE supposed to be that One Voice, but singing through 'individual' aspects of our Oneness. And while our learning doesn't have to come from painful experiences, it very often just does.


Yes, I've always thought we were like cells of one huge organism.

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Thanks for sharing all that you have here. That continues to help me, too, wub.gif even after (I'll say "only yet the seeming eternity of") 25 months without the physical presence of my girl here.


You are very welcome! It is of course my self-centred grief that keeps me here! But I hope I can offer something to others too! I have been really exhausted lately and trying to sort of do the normal things everyone expects me to do here.

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And taking this one step further, perhaps it was even written into our soul agreements before incarnating here, that he would essentially 'be an A-hole' to us all, in order for me to grow into where I've grown (so far) while here. So, in fact, perhaps this WAS a form of Love in disguise, in order to get me where I am, spiritually, today. Perhaps it was a twisted-looking, yet still actual gift to me and for me? I'm willing to consider the possibility, at least, of things not looking like Love, but Love still being the driving force behind even such horrid events on this plane. I know this may sound to many like a great stretch, but it certainly takes some of the edge off so much past and even current pain for me, and even helps me marry all these concepts together into a logical and cohesive whole.


I don't think it is a stretch. I find that my reaction to pain and grief is to only find understanding and resolve with it sometime after the loss, when the new patterns and the new reality take over the old. When "normal" becomes something different than it was. In the midst of pain, it just feels like pain... at least to me. Do all things happen with a life plan in mind? I don't know. I think there could be many parallel outcomes, and maybe we "explore" different avenues, as warped as that does seem, like why would we want to....? But pain does often push us new and different directions, and maybe that's why it's there.

I know that some of my own most difficult moments led to some good things in the past, though these weren't about dealing with physical losses.

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Having said that, it has taken the bulk of my life to even begin to see it (and him) this way, so these lessons can take a long, long time to come to fruition, much less acceptance. And on the surface, I'm nowhere near peaceful about it all, but someday, maybe this will all fall into place and I'll KNOW for sure.


Okay, well, when you find out, DO pass on the info! wink.gif Because I'm dying to know!

Thank you for your heartfelt posts, I really appreciate your perspectives.

Jan.
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AngelCareOne
post Sep 30 2008, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (Zita'sMom @ Sep 25 2008, 12:09 PM) *
Thoughts:

I continue to ask for guidance from the angels/spirit world/God/you-fill-in-the-blank and I have had some very warm feelings at times, as well as cold chills in my body.

Songs pop into my head again, like "Raindrops keeping falling on my head", but the one that gave me shivers, especially in light of other pets being shot was the song "One Voice" by Barry Manilow.

Here's a link (Dottie, I wish I could easily figure out the fancy stuff you do.):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKPWzLgvgW4...feature=related

It's not the best imagery, but at least you can sing along. smile.gif

The words:

One Voice

Just One Voice,
Singing in the darkness,
All it takes is One Voice,
Singing so they hear what's on your mind,
And when you look around you'll find
There's more than

One Voice,
Singing in the darkness,
Joining with your One Voice,
Each and every note another octave,
Hands are joined and fears unlocked,
If only

One Voice
would start it on its own,
We need just One Voice facing the unknown,
And that One Voice would never be alone
It takes that One Voice.
Would never be alone
It takes that One Voice.

Just One Voice
Singing in the darkness,
All it takes is One Voice,
Shout it out and let it ring.
Just One Voice,
It takes that One Voice,
And everyone will sing!


Wow, Jan! I have been studying the lyrics to the other songs like "Frosty the Snowman," the other one, the one quoted above and "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head." Do you know what all these songs have in common? Every one of them? First, here's the lyrics to "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" along with a link to a video with the song and some images. Special attention to the title of this song and the song you posted above as well. Okay? Here goes ...

"Raindrops Keep Fallin on My Head"

Raindrops keep fallin' on my head
And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed
Nothin' seems to fit
Those raindrops are fallin' on my head, they keep fallin'

So I just did me some talkin' to the sun
And I said I didn't like the way he got things done
Sleepin' on the job
Those raindrops are fallin' on my head, they keep fallin'

But there's one thing I know
The blues they send to meet me won't defeat me
It won't be long till happiness steps up to greet me

Raindrops keep fallin' on my head
But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turnin' red
Cryin's not for me
'Cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complainin'
Because I'm free
Nothin's worryin' me

It won't be long till happiness steps up to greet me

Raindrops keep fallin' on my head
But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turnin' red
Cryin's not for me
'Cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complainin'
Because I'm free
Nothin's worryin' me

Jan, I left out all punctuation intentionally. Now a link to the song. Please turn up your volume and click on the link below ...


"Raindrops Keep Fallin on My Head"

Are you seeing the pattern that I'm seeing, Dear One? What is this saying to you? It's saying something cuz it gives you "the shivers." Please share. Okay? Please feel free to PM me, Hon.

Tons of Comforting Hugs, Love and Many Angels!!! wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

Your Pal Always,
Dottie xoxoxox

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post Sep 30 2008, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE (AngelCareOne @ Sep 30 2008, 11:31 PM) *
[Are you seeing the pattern that I'm seeing, Dear One? What is this saying to you? It's saying something cuz it gives you "the shivers." Please share. Okay? Please feel free to PM me, Hon.


Hi Dottie - now you've got me really curious... I just thought Frosty was a way of saying Ziggy would be back one day... and "Raindrops" was like, don't give up?... and One Voice - well, the same I guess, that I needed to use my "voice" to do what I can about Ziggy's murderer, but also in the sense of sharing pain.... insights..?

Do you know something kinda weird? Well a couple of things weird. I was talking to one of the neighbours about Ziggy and they happened to mention someone else in the area that did some work we need doing. I wrote his name and number on the back of Ziggy's poster. This is probably coincidental but it was his dog that got shot twice a week ago (or so). This dog is recovering, and it was shot with a pellet gun, not a high powered air rifle like Ziggy's. They are super, super nice people, could probably end up good friends.

In another range of weird, and perhaps complete "coincidence", Ziggy was shot on Aug 23rd which is the day my husband's previous wife died. She then died at 6 am on August 28th. My previous partner's former wife died at 6 p.m. on August 28th. Both these deaths had huge significant impact on my and my husband's lives. Again, could be total coincidence....

Jan.
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post Sep 30 2008, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE (Zita'sMom @ Sep 30 2008, 10:59 PM) *
Hi Dottie - now you've got me really curious... I just thought Frosty was a way of saying Ziggy would be back one day... and "Raindrops" was like, don't give up?... and One Voice - well, the same I guess, that I needed to use my "voice" to do what I can about Ziggy's murderer, but also in the sense of sharing pain.... insights..?

Do you know something kinda weird? Well a couple of things weird. I was talking to one of the neighbours about Ziggy and they happened to mention someone else in the area that did some work we need doing. I wrote his name and number on the back of Ziggy's poster. This is probably coincidental but it was his dog that got shot twice a week ago (or so). This dog is recovering, and it was shot with a pellet gun, not a high powered air rifle like Ziggy's. They are super, super nice people, could probably end up good friends.

In another range of weird, and perhaps complete "coincidence", Ziggy was shot on Aug 23rd which is the day my husband's previous wife died. She then died at 6 am on August 28th. My previous partner's former wife died at 6 p.m. on August 28th. Both these deaths had huge significant impact on my and my husband's lives. Again, could be total coincidence....

Jan.


Jan, you are very insightful indeed! However, you need to take your interpretations just a bit further. Spot on so far. As far as "coincidences" go, I feel the same as Albert Einstein: "I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice." Those things are not just chance. Here:

Loved to smile ...

http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardia...tein460x276.jpg

Hamming it up. My very favorite famous photo of Einstein ...

http://www.hair-squared.com/einstein_tongue.jpg

A sweet, soulful man. Look into his eyes ...

http://www.mlahanas.de/Physics/Bios/images...ertEinstein.jpg

A brilliant and genius physicist! Some of his theories were proven true after he died ...

http://rosenblumtv.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/einstein.jpg

And a philosopher in the truest sense ...

http://www.andrewsavory.com/blog/einstein.010.png

Here's more about him ...

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

And many of his famous quotes ...

http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/EinsteinQuotes.html

Can you tell I'm a real fan? You bet!

Tons of Hugs, Love, Hope and Peace!!! wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

Always,
Dottie xoxoxox

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post Oct 1 2008, 01:24 PM
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Hi Jan,
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...I do think we get glimpses, and the more open we become, the more glimpses we get.

Yes, and many more people now are once again getting far more than just "glimpses", as they open back up to how it apparently used to be, way back when. Wish I was already there, at that point, myself!

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That night she awoke to the cat kneeding at the bottom of her bed. She was frightened and didn't understand, but later realized the blessing offered by this visit.

Another "wow and a-ha!!" moment. And again, wish I could get the same! However, it's personal accounts just like this that we can open to, to at least come to the understanding that there's MUCH more to reality than what we've thought for so long. In fact, I'd like to share an ancient (Netsilik) Eskimo song that you may have seen before, which speaks to the fact that we've only FORGOTTEN how things really are:
in the very earliest time,

when both people and animals lived on earth,

a person could become an animal if he wanted to

and an animal could become a human being.

Sometimes they were people

and sometimes animals

and there was no difference.

All spoke the same language.


We've only forgotten - Who we are, What we are, how we're all part of the same "Organism". The full reality's still there as it's always been, but we've forgotten how to tap into it effortlessly. Some posit that this came about from the first idea/feeling of DOUBT. Some say the One wanted its own 'company', and so set about creating its own 'bits' to experience Itself in different ways. Some say life is all about lessons, while others say it's really only about experiencing all aspects of Life. Some say it was all a deliberate plan set up in advance, so 'we'd ' be able to experience this physicality in all its fullness, in order to make 'our' way slowly back to the original fullness.... but after having added even MORE experience of various forms of consciousness into the mix along the way, and therefore to evolve the All even further, as a means for the Whole of Consciousness to grow and continue to expand. And so every bit of growth or evolution affects the Whole, as it must.

And even quantum physicists say that there ARE multiple dimensions, but with each particle affecting other (twin) ones in any or all dimensions. So it's not hard to see that we could have other lives in parallel planes, each different, yet each designed to take another road, in ORDER to experience ever more things and in different ways. And science is merging (finally!) with the knowledge from mysticism. It all makes sense and comes together as a grand whole, even if we're not sure of the beginnings of HOW or WHY this came about.

But what it can do for US, who mourn the physical absence of our beloveds, is to help us realize there IS no real separation, and there CAN'T be.....even if we're not personally adept at communing well with those who are not only a part of us, but who, in reality, are ALSO us. It's like we're individuals and yet also one big unit, the same but also unique parts of the Whole. And we're NOT just 3-dimensional. The 4th dimension (Time) is already here, but is now, itself, expanded, and so we're getting those "glimpses" into it more frequently now.

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It's like my idea of imagining that Ziggy is with someone else, who looks after her not just as well, but even better than me. That helps me to send her loving thoughts and not thoughts full of fear.

That's a fine way to think of it! And whatever works for you best is always what you need go with. As someone else here once said, it's like thinking that our loved ones are in a place where they're finally getting whatever they truly DESERVED all along - love and perfection in abundance, compared to the seeming IMperfection of the physical world.

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It is of course my self-centred grief that keeps me here! But I hope I can offer something to others too! I have been really exhausted lately and trying to sort of do the normal things everyone expects me to do here.

But it's NOT "self-centred" if you consider that the Whole (which includes you) will evolve as an outgrowth of your grief, too. Grief is just another experience, albeit a most painful one to us, but it's neither right nor wrong. It just IS, and no differently than, say, JOY, it deserves its own place and honour as another experience. And certainly, if one of the best ways to connect to our loved ones is through the heart, and grief is so much about "heart", then there's everything 'right' about grieving! If we did already remember (and so could fully sense/experience) our Allness, we wouldn't need to grieve. But we're not quite there again yet. So there's no self-blame needed, only self-acceptance for being just where you need to be right here, right now, and in every single "now" henceforth. Your BEING HERE is an offering in itself. No one needs to be continually giving advice or coming up with answers in order to be offering something of great value. It is very often in the questioning that we come closest to our other parts. It is often in the confusion of others where we can connect most deeply, knowing we're not alone in our feelings or doubts. It's the SHARING that's more important, whatever slant that takes. It's the reaching out that matters, whether in need or to give back.

And I'll tell you, Jan, I sure didn't even bother trying to do anything anyone else "expected" me to do, or be like, especially in the earlier time of my grief. It was all I could handle just trying to keep breathing, get a drink of water, push myself to take a few steps....only if it HELPED me, personally, to do for others, could I manage that much effort. Naturally, I did for Nissa everything and even more than before after Sabin left, but ONLY for her and no one else. The rest of the world didn't matter one iota to me at that point, and so what? Things and other people went on anyway. Grief takes too much actual energy out of us to worry about doing what's expected, unless it bothers you SO much that it's better for you if you follow that route. Or you can mix it up as needed. This is YOUR grief, not someone else's, and you need to look after YOU, first and foremost, whatever that 'looking after' entails, which may or may not include others' needs. As I've always said (not that most others around me ever took/take this to heart, mind you! rolleyes.gif ), if you can't fall apart during GRIEF AND MOURNING, then when exactly are you enti*tled to??? You won't have anything to offer anyone if you're nothing but an empty shell anyway, so self-care has to be at least a fairly decent chunk of the process.

And you're suffering greatly, no wonder, and who of any compassion could blame you?!?! And for me, after 'losing' Nissa.....it's still a struggle and more so if people try to PUSH me into 'normalcy'. It's not THEIR life; it's MINE, or at least my 'individual' aspect of the Whole. So I'll do what I want, when I want, and at the pace that's most helpful and comfortable for ME.

I hope some of this might help to hold you up in some way, if not now, then later.

Oh, and no, there are NO coincidences. Uh-uh. That word should be struck from the English language, I think, as it only helps us keep the illusion of separation. How could there be, if everything is one, big, unified entity? All parts are somehow linked.

And if it helps you to find even one aspect of meaning or connection, here are the meanings, according to Doreen Virtue's (you can Google her if you like) communion with the angels, of the repeating numbers "23" (also my Nissa's transition date) and "28":
  • 23 - you are working closely with one or more ascended masters such as Jesus, Moses, the saints or the goddesses. This is a message from your ascended-master guides, who can see the answer to your prayers is within reach. They encourage you to stay positive to ensure that you attract the best possible outcome.
  • 28 - Money comes to you as you keep the faith that you, your loved ones, and your beautiful life purpose are fully supported by Heaven.

Purrs of comfort,
F's Mom


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"I dropped a tear in the ocean. The day you find it is the day I will stop missing you."

[center]~Anonymous~


<div align="center">"Not flesh of my flesh, Nor bone of my bone,
But still miraculously my own.
Never forget for a single minute,
You didn't grow under my heart - but in it"[/center]

~Fleur Conkling Heylinger~


>^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^<


"For one species to mourn the death of another is a noble thing"

~Aldo Leopold~

<span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>Life is life - whether in a cat, or dog or man. There is no difference there between a cat or a man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man's own advantage. ~Sri Aurobindo

Spay now or pay later, the interest is killing us.


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post Oct 1 2008, 11:30 PM
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I just read your post and I am crying. I can't understand how any human being can be so cruel as to hurt an animal.

My heart goes out to you. There are no words that can even say how bad I feel for you. I am a cat lover, and I lost my best friend Max to a sudden illness on July 19th. Time has helped me feel better, but it's hard, and I think it's always gonna be hard.

Please hang in there, and I hope you can find peace somehow.

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post Oct 2 2008, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (geese @ Oct 2 2008, 12:30 AM) *
I just read your post and I am crying. I can't understand how any human being can be so cruel as to hurt an animal.

My heart goes out to you. There are no words that can even say how bad I feel for you. I am a cat lover, and I lost my best friend Max to a sudden illness on July 19th. Time has helped me feel better, but it's hard, and I think it's always gonna be hard.

Please hang in there, and I hope you can find peace somehow.

Geese


Thank you for caring.

I read a little bit on your thread about "taking things too hard". I realized this morning that other people who are able to be philosophical/ bright and cheery after a pet's death, are either burying their feelings, or they just were not very attached!

I would love to think we can have such a great understanding of our short physical life here that we barely think twice when someone has passed to spirit... but the same people who "hold it together" so well for the loss of a pet, would not necessarily be that way about the loss of a child or the loss of a spouse.

I think we feel the pain we do because we loved our pets so deeply, and so the loss is deep also. I know if I came to earth as a pet, which type of person I'd want to live with!

Your tears mean that you truly understand the loss.

thanks again.

Jan.
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post Oct 2 2008, 07:34 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXNmXHqBoMA

I'll Never Love This Way Again

You look inside my fantasies
And make each one come true
Something no one else had ever found a way to do
I've kept the memories one by one
Since you took me in
I know I'll never love this way again

I know I'll never love this way again
So I keep holding on before the good is gone
I know I'll never love this way again
Hold on, hold on, hold on

A fool will lose tomorrow
Reaching out for yesterday
I won't turn my head in sorrow
If you should go away

I'll stand here and remember
Just how good it's been
And I know I'll never love this way again

I know I'll never love this way again
So I keep holding on before the good is gone
I know I'll never love this way again
Hold on, hold on, hold on

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZoKgkhckFU...feature=related

Keep Holding On

You're not alone
Together we stand
I'll be by your side, you know I'll take your hand
When it gets cold
And it feels like the end
There's no place to go
You know I won't give in
No I won't give in

Keep holding on
'Cause you know we'll make it through, we'll make it through
Just stay strong
'Cause you know I'm here for you, I'm here for you
There's nothing you could say
Nothing you could do
There's no other way when it comes to the truth
So keep holding on
'Cause you know we'll make it through, we'll make it through

So far away
I wish you were here
Before it's too late, this could all disappear
Before the doors close
And it comes to an end
With you by my side I will fight and defend
I'll fight and defend
Yeah, yeah

Keep holding on
'Cause you know we'll make it through, we'll make it through
Just stay strong
'Cause you know I'm here for you, I'm here for you
There's nothing you could say
Nothing you could do
There's no other way when it comes to the truth
So keep holding on
'Cause you know we'll make it through, we'll make it through

Hear me when I say, when I say I believe
Nothing's gonna change, nothing's gonna change destiny
Whatever's meant to be will work out perfectly
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

La da da da
La da da da
La da da da da da da da da

Keep holding on
'Cause you know we'll make it through, we'll make it through
Just stay strong
'Cause you know I'm here for you, I'm here for you
There's nothing you could say
Nothing you could do
There's no other way when it comes to the truth
So keep holding on
'Cause you know we'll make it through, we'll make it through

Keep holding on
Keep holding on

There's nothing you could say
Nothing you could do
There's no other way when it comes to the truth
So keep holding on
'Cause you know we'll make it through, we'll make it through
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post Oct 3 2008, 01:02 AM
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Jan, Hon. Just remember this.

If the black knight can be this persistent then so can we!!!

Click below please ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

Defeat is not an option, Dear one! Love You Bunches!!!

Tons of Hugs!!! wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

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Dottie xoxoxox
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Ut oh, my PC is about to boot me off. Gotta shut down, do maintenance then will come back and talk about what you just posted, Jan.

More Hugs!!!

Always,
Dottie xoxoxox

PS. Be about 10 minutes or so if ya gotta leave ... You can read what I post later, Hon.
More Hugs!!!

Here I go > > > > > > >
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QUOTE (AngelCareOne @ Oct 3 2008, 02:02 AM) *
Jan, Hon. Just remember this.
If the black knight can be this persistent then so can we!!!


Hehehe. Yes, it's all in the mind, all in the mind.....

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Jan.
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Jan, those pictures are so adorable. Thanks for your comfort in my forum. Hoping things are working out better for you. I know what you mean about a loss bringing 2 people closer. That's the way it should be,so we tend to think. I'm reading more into Dave these days. He really is trying to put this whole thing behind him. I know he misses Arthur too, but when I get (as he calls it) "emotional" he hates it 'cuz it breaks his heart to have to think about him being gone. This is why I don't cry around him, or tell him how terribly I miss him, etc. That's why I come here. .. Thanks again.. Ann
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"Happiness always looks small while you hold it in your hands,
but let it go, and you learn at once how big and precious it is."
-Maxim Gorky

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QUOTE (ann @ Oct 3 2008, 02:59 AM) *
Jan, those pictures are so adorable. Thanks for your comfort in my forum. Hoping things are working out better for you. I know what you mean about a loss bringing 2 people closer. That's the way it should be,so we tend to think. I'm reading more into Dave these days. He really is trying to put this whole thing behind him. I know he misses Arthur too, but when I get (as he calls it) "emotional" he hates it 'cuz it breaks his heart to have to think about him being gone. This is why I don't cry around him, or tell him how terribly I miss him, etc. That's why I come here. .. Thanks again.. Ann


It's funny with my husband. He says he accepts fully that Ziggy has moved on to spirit to a better place. But he has also said he can't go "there" to that black place of grief, and I think that's more to the point. I also don't think he attaches to the pets as deeply as I do, in fact I'm sure of that. The hardest is that he can't accept my grief and actually turns away from me. So there is the grief of Zita and Ziggy, and then the sadness I feel about his distance from me.

Oh this life is such a complicated place to be..

thanks for your comfort also.

Jan.
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QUOTE (NovaJade @ Oct 3 2008, 10:25 PM) *
"Happiness always looks small while you hold it in your hands,
but let it go, and you learn at once how big and precious it is."
-Maxim Gorky


Oh yes, so true. At least Ziggy knew how much I loved her and appreciated her. I know that.

How are you doing these days? Have you found any insights about dealing with your own loss?

Funny how having Ziggy was so healing for me with the loss of Zita at the time. Now I just feel a huge aching void for both of them.

Jan.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itzG_hy1Vm8...feature=related

Angels

I sit and wait
does an angel contemplate my fate
and do they know
the places where we go
when we´re grey and old
´cos I´ve been told
that salvation lets their wings unfold
so when I’m lying in my bed
thoughts running through my head
and I feel that love is dead
I’m loving angels instead

and through it all she offers me protection
a lot of love and affection
whether I’m right or wrong
and down the waterfall
wherever it may take me
I know that life wont break me
when I come to call she won’t forsake me
I’m loving angels instead

when I’m feeling weak
and my pain walks down a one way street
I look above
and I know I’ll always be blessed with love
and as the feeling grows
she breathes flesh to my bones
and when love is dead
I’m loving angels instead

and through it all she offers me protection
a lot of love and affection
whether I’m right or wrong
and down the waterfall
wherever it may take me
I know that life won’t break me
when I come to call she won’t forsake me
I’m loving angels instead

and through it all she offers me protection
a lot of love and affection
whether I’m right or wrong
and down the waterfall
wherever it may take me
I know that life won’t break me
when I come to call she won’t forsake me
I’m loving angels instead

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