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[Nemo's Mommy]

This is the real future of healing, and Braden's whole presentation was centered on the science behind why and how this is so. It also showed how a person's DNA strands have, in controlled experiments (some done by the military, too), shown immediate changes that matched a person's FEELINGS even if that person was hundreds of miles away. And these experiments all showed, in essence, that there IS an underlying 'web', now often called The Field, around absolutely everything in the universe, and that (the most important point) it is the feelings that we produce in our heart-center that drive everything we see and experience in the world around us. Distance makes no difference to what is manifested, either, as it's all manifested throughout the entire universe, everywhere and all at once. His thrust is using this knowledge for world peace and individual and global healing, of course.

This underlying "web" around everything in the universe, then connects us all together. It would go back to the "membrane" they call that connects our universe (from quantum physics), and the 11th dimension that surrounds us at all times. So, in fact, we are just in the infancy of starting to "tap" into these other resources we have. Perhaps some of the discoveries and finds will be what takes us from a Class 0 society (as quantum physicist Michio Kaku refers to us now) to the Class 1 society, which we are in the process of becoming. As we become Class 2 and Class 3 society, imagine the kind of advancements and knowledge we will have. Michio was saying we would be able to harness the energy/power of a black hole, and perhaps be able to bend time and space.

Just more evidence we are all connected, in ways we can't even begin to imagine yet! How exciting!

Ren, Zorro, and Nemo's Mom

[Furkidlets' Mom]

You'd probably also enjoy "The Field" by Lynn McTaggart, and her "The Intention Experiment" too. I'm in the midst of reading the former (wild and exciting do%%entation!) and will be getting the latter soon as well. I also took part in her most recent The Peace Intention Experiment, online.

Haven't heard Michio's talk yet, but I know he's another one 'up there' in recent advances - have seen his name everywhere, including on YouTube videos.

[Nemo's Mommy]

No - I did ask about Zita and Ziggy. But there were people in spirit I thought may come through who didn't either. However she did say this... that she had a visit to the spirit world in a dream, and she was told in the dream that she would be given proof this was real. They said that a cat with no eyes would be coming there soon. She described it as a beautiful place with people who loved animals in life who continue to help animals in spirit, until their owners return with them. Warning - this part is pretty bad, but with a happy ending.

Yes, "surviving" isn't always the "best" thing to happen. As this medium, Georgia said, this life is more of an illusion than the spirit world, because this is temporary, whereas our souls go on forever... I've even been able to look at this whole situation with x-h and see where it fits in my development. His learning is up to him.

I really liked that part the medium told you about the animals and being in a beautiful place until we are reunited with them. And it was so sad about the cat that lost its eyes (seriously, how does that person sleep at night that did that? It's beyond me how someone could do that), but it was good that the cat had a happy ending. Now at least the cat will be with people that love and cherish animals.

And what an interesting thing Georgia said about out souls going on forever, and how this is temporary. Yes, we do choose to either learn or not learn as much as we can in our lifetimes. And either become the best person we can or not. For me, I think it's all about learning and connecting with everything. The more we learn, the more we advance and become closer to our potential of what society really can achieve and think.

As for Ellie... yes, just give her hugs and kisses, she knows she is loved. And I do think x-h and sd will love her. She can re-connect with them before she goes to the other side.

And about the Greek... that will be interesting to see if that plays out! And I do think X-h would have held you back from the bigger and better and learning journey you are on. Just like my ex would have! It totally makes sense! Both of our ex's are still in their "infancy" of self-discovery and bigger awakenings, which is somewhat sad, but that is up to them. As for us, Quote, "We took the road less traveled on.. and that has made all the difference" by Robert Frost

“The greatest undiscovered resources in the world lie under our hats and stand in our shoes.” -Kenneth Hildebran

HUGS!!
Ren, Zorro, and Nemo's Mom

[Zita'sMom]

Hi Nemo's mom

I've been sick with some kind of laryngitis throat thingy!

I really liked that part the medium told you about the animals and being in a beautiful place until we are reunited with them. And it was so sad about the cat that lost its eyes (seriously, how does that person sleep at night that did that? It's beyond me how someone could do that), but it was good that the cat had a happy ending. Now at least the cat will be with people that love and cherish animals.

Yes, it's comforting that she got this message before the cat was killed, letting her and others know that this beautiful place is where the cat would be. It's so easy for me to replay the moments about Ziggy dying and instead I need to remember the dream I had where she was bright vivid orange and shiny. I just miss her, and I still miss Zita. I found a pic of Zita the other day and I still think Zeus gets lonely for her. They were such special, special kitty cats, and still are. But I know where they are they are far safer than they would ever be here and probably feeling much more joy than we feel here as well. I look forward to our reunion one day.

And what an interesting thing Georgia said about out souls going on forever, and how this is temporary. Yes, we do choose to either learn or not learn as much as we can in our lifetimes. And either become the best person we can or not. For me, I think it's all about learning and connecting with everything. The more we learn, the more we advance and become closer to our potential of what society really can achieve and think.

Yes, it's also comforting for me to know that x-h will keep repeating the "lessons" until he one day sees the light. He is just unaware or he could never want to cause so much hurt.

As for Ellie... yes, just give her hugs and kisses, she knows she is loved. And I do think x-h and sd will love her. She can re-connect with them before she goes to the other side.

They had her for 12 years, so you'd think there would be some connection. I think there is, I just think x-h doesn't love the same way I do, it's more of a surface "convenient" love. It will be hard for Ellie, she won't understand, but for many years in her life she was with x-h and sd in different places, so it will just be one last adjustment. I will tell her soul often how much I love her, and pray that I will be heard....

>And about the Greek... that will be interesting to see if that plays out! And I do think X-h would have held you back from >the bigger and better and learning journey you are on. Just like my ex would have! It totally makes sense! Both of our >ex's are still in their "infancy" of self-discovery and bigger awakenings, which is somewhat sad, but that is up to them. > As for us, Quote, "We took the road less traveled on.. and that has made all the difference" by >Robert Frost

Yes, absolutely. I think that both you and I, knowing what we know NOW, know that these ex's needed to leave our lives because they were not on the same journey. It's funny but someone I respect a lot who hadn't said much about x-h told me she thought he was threatened by my spiritual growth and that I was growing much more rapidly than he. I didn't see this, but maybe it's true. Whatever the reason I know that ego played a big part. But this is his to deal with now, and I just need to get through the separation agreement.

Hugs back to you Nemo's mom!

Thanks for bein' there!!!

Jan.

[Zita'sMom]

I don't know if anybody's still around following this thread, but...

I had to give Ellie up today. I packed her stuff, typed out instructions and this morning I helped load her into a friend's van. I feel so sad. Divorce is really devastating to all involved including the pets. The losses over the last couple of years for me have really tested me to the max. In 2006 I lost my old Merlin, then Tiffany was killed, then in 2007 Zita went missing and never returned. In 2008 Ziggy was shot, then Rosie euthanized. Now Ellie is going back to x-h.

I am just so sad.

Jan.

[toonie]

I had to give Ellie up today

I am so sorry for this having to happen, I remember you talking about it, this is the day and I suspect that Ellie is just as sad as you. Hugs Jan. May it get better, much much better. Hugs again.

[Zita'sMom]

I am so sorry for this having to happen, I remember you talking about it, this is the day and I suspect that Ellie is just as sad as you. Hugs Jan. May it get better, much much better. Hugs again.

Thank you Toonie.

I keep telling her soul that I love her and that she can come back to me any time in spirit. But that now she needs to be with x-h and sd. I hope she'll be okay. Even x-h admitted she was more bonded to me than him. But it's just impractical for me at this time. She has lost a lot of mobility and she can do stairs now, but not easily. Because she is dog aggressive it was really tough to find anyone to look after the pack if I want to go anywhere. Now at least I have some options. I have to keep remembering what I did offer her - 3 and a half very good years with a lot of freedom. And when she passes to spirit we will meet again.

thanks again.

Jan.

[Furkidlets' Mom]

My heart is breaking right along with you, Jan...for all the pain, all the losses, and another heart-rending "good-bye." I, too, hope they look after her needs well, but don't forget, no matter what -- everyone, even our faithful friends, has their own soul path to travel and you'll always be a part of her spirit family, as she will be part of yours.

[goliath]

I don't know if anybody's still around following this thread, but...

Yes Jan........I'm still with you. Lord knows you've had more than your share of testing. BUT, from reading your postings....I can see that you've chosen to take a higher road that indeed will lead you to greater spiritual places. It's what we chose to do with whatever is thrown our way that really matters. We can let it destroy us physically, emotionally, and spiritually or we can look deep within ourselves and accept the challenge to become better enlightened humanbeings.

I'm so sorry you had to give Ellie back to your X. Your sadness is more than understandable. There is a woman in my neighborhood who I saw out in her driveway one day and she was crying. That was about 3 months ago or so. I stopped to see if there was something I could do to help. She broke down in my arms crying and I stayed with her for a long time. Her husband had left her with no explanation except that he said he didn't love her anymore. Just before he left, he made alot of very expensive improvements on their home. The more she talked, the more I thought of you and how similar your stories are. I told her about you and what an exceptionally strong woman you are. You've grown so much. Through your story I was able to pass on some hope that she too will overcome the obstacles that have brought her so much sadness. She and I have become great friends over these months and our friendship grows stronger everyday.

You have been such an inspiration to me and others. You have survived and triumphed over the unthinkable. I hope your bright light shines around LS for a long time to come.

Hugs of love and comfort to you Jan,
Beth

[Bubba]

Jan-------I am so sorry.......your weariness must be overwhelming..........God be with you.........
Bubba........

[Zita'sMom]

My heart is breaking right along with you, Jan...for all the pain, all the losses, and another heart-rending "good-bye." I, too, hope they look after her needs well, but don't forget, no matter what -- everyone, even our faithful friends, has their own soul path to travel and you'll always be a part of her spirit family, as she will be part of yours.

Hi F's Mom

Thank you for reminding me that Ellie has her soul path too. I do feel the light went out from her eyes since x-h left, even though she was very bonded to me. I think she knew something dramatically had changed forever. When she lay next to the bed one day I asked her what she was thinking and I "heard" in my mind the words: "I was supposed to protect sd". I hope I heard right and that she now is able to do what her soul was meant to do. She did used to sleep in sd's room when I first met them, then later slept near the staircases and places where she could guard all of us.

Now she can guard sd again.

Thanks for caring.

Jan.

[Zita'sMom]

Wow, Beth. What kind words - I do have such good friends here at LS!

And I agree about letting it destroy us or accepting the challenged to become enlightened. I've definitely accepted the challenge, full board. It's been rough, but it's proven to me that I can be very strong also.

That's amazing your neighbour is going through something similar - why do these guys feel the need to spend a fortune on renovations, just before bolting... that I don't get. And Beth, you are so kind to be there for that woman - she will appreciate your support beyond words she may be able to express. I get teary, just thinking of those pillars of strength who have been there for me, telling me how well I'm doing, or about gifts they believe I have. Those words mean everything to a person in these situations. They can make the difference between destruction and transformation.

This evening I was cochairing a meeting - the only meeting - that I attend where "guess who" always shows up. Someone told me I should just stop going to those meetings. But you can tell your friend that I decided I would make sure I did go. In the beginning I started to stand up and make just one announcement, and now I'm chairing some of the meetings. I almost thought that would be impossible with him sitting there. But I just make him invisible and open my heart to the people there who care about me in a genuine way. So maybe that is something to pass on to your friend. I heard that he told someone he hoped I wouldn't be forever wallowing in my sadness. But ironically I've done the total opposite - I've pushed myself harder to face any fears. And funny enough, my fears of things like public speaking seem so trivial compared to other issues I've had to recently face, while he hasn't even begun to look at whatever it is he fears. It almost seems like life is kind of a big game, so why not just live fully and see where it goes.... I sometimes even wonder if in the end I will look back and see that x-h did me a huge favour. I do hope some day he will find his heart though... like the tin man. For his own sake, not mine.

Thanks Beth - you brightened my evening!

Jan.

Yes Jan........I'm still with you. Lord knows you've had more than your share of testing. BUT, from reading your postings....I can see that you've chosen to take a higher road that indeed will lead you to greater spiritual places. It's what we chose to do with whatever is thrown our way that really matters. We can let it destroy us physically, emotionally, and spiritually or we can look deep within ourselves and accept the challenge to become better enlightened humanbeings.

I'm so sorry you had to give Ellie back to your X. Your sadness is more than understandable. There is a woman in my neighborhood who I saw out in her driveway one day and she was crying. That was about 3 months ago or so. I stopped to see if there was something I could do to help. She broke down in my arms crying and I stayed with her for a long time. Her husband had left her with no explanation except that he said he didn't love her anymore. Just before he left, he made alot of very expensive improvements on their home. The more she talked, the more I thought of you and how similar your stories are. I told her about you and what an exceptionally strong woman you are. You've grown so much. Through your story I was able to pass on some hope that she too will overcome the obstacles that have brought her so much sadness. She and I have become great friends over these months and our friendship grows stronger everyday.

You have been such an inspiration to me and others. You have survived and triumphed over the unthinkable. I hope your bright light shines around LS for a long time to come.

Hugs of love and comfort to you Jan,
Beth

[Zita'sMom]

Jan-------I am so sorry.......your weariness must be overwhelming..........God be with you.........
Bubba........

Hi Bubba

It's so nice to hear from you. Thanks for your wishes, and I do feel a deep closeness to God right now. These transitions are just so sad, but that's what divorce creates....

take care you too.

Jan.

[Nemo's Mommy]

This evening I was cochairing a meeting - the only meeting - that I attend where "guess who" always shows up. Someone told me I should just stop going to those meetings. But you can tell your friend that I decided I would make sure I did go. In the beginning I started to stand up and make just one announcement, and now I'm chairing some of the meetings. I almost thought that would be impossible with him sitting there. But I just make him invisible and open my heart to the people there who care about me in a genuine way. So maybe that is something to pass on to your friend. I heard that he told someone he hoped I wouldn't be forever wallowing in my sadness. But ironically I've done the total opposite - I've pushed myself harder to face any fears. And funny enough, my fears of things like public speaking seem so trivial compared to other issues I've had to recently face, while he hasn't even begun to look at whatever it is he fears. It almost seems like life is kind of a big game, so why not just live fully and see where it goes.... I sometimes even wonder if in the end I will look back and see that x-h did me a huge favour. I do hope some day he will find his heart though... like the tin man. For his own sake, not mine.

Hi Jan!!!!

I have been wondering how you were. Sounds look you are doing really good! And I think you are right about Ellie's soul path- she is needing to protect sd now, and has had a wonderful journey with you, and knows you love her so much. And you will meet again.

I think in the end you will look back and think that x-h did you a huge favor. It's so funny, my ex had told me that long ago when we first broke up, and low and behold... yes, I totally think he did do me a favor! I have grown so much and had so much self-discovery since then. And you are too! Just look at you go! Wow! I'm proud of you for continuing to go to those meetings, and not backing down. This is your life and you can go and be where-ever you want to! I'm glad you just think of him as invisible! I'm sure he sees your strength, and is probably somewhat envious of it, even if he will never, ever, ever admit it. I bet his ego is hurt just a bit too, realizing you are going on and not missing a beat. Bigger and better things! Just living life so that you experience all the wonderful things it has to offer. Let the joy and all the opportunities flow in and be open to you!

Happy Friday to you!
~NM

[Zita'sMom]

Hi Jan!!!!

I have been wondering how you were. Sounds look you are doing really good! And I think you are right about Ellie's soul path- she is needing to protect sd now, and has had a wonderful journey with you, and knows you love her so much. And you will meet again.

Hi NM! Nice to hear from you. I think you are right that we will meet again. I also told her if she could come back as a little dog, it would be much easier for me as she got older. It was at least reassuring to hear that she wagged her tail when she saw x-h and sd and that she had settled in by the time the friend who dropped her off left. I hope she does understand on some level. I keep justifying things to myself because in the end it's an awful thing to let any dog go under any circumstances and I never dreamed I would have to do this. But I also know that I can't take the weight of the entire world and it's my job to take care of my own furkids in the best way I can as well as take care of me! That for once is a priority in my life.

I think in the end you will look back and think that x-h did you a huge favor. It's so funny, my ex had told me that long ago when we first broke up, and low and behold... yes, I totally think he did do me a favor!

I think when they say these things they think we are fragile little dolls that will break and it gives them some sort of power. When I told x-h earlier on that I wasn't feeling secure in the relationship, he said I needed to find security within myself, kinda similar to your x-guys "words of wisdom". But they actually need to learn this stuff themselves - walk the walk, not just talk the talk. I actually think x-h enjoyed the fact that I had no 4 wheel drive and no winter tires and that I was stranded in the snow. I think he enjoyed the idea that I was suffering here.... But this has been my theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7pQpNx-F4

Fighter

After all you put me through
You'd think I'd despise you
But in the end I wanna thank you
'Cause you made me that much stronger

Well I, thought I knew you
Thinking, that you were true
Guess I, I couldn't trust
Called your bluff, time is up
'Cause I've had enough
You were, there by my side
Always, down for the ride
But your, joy ride just came down in flames
'Cause your greed sold me out of shame, mmhmm

After all of the stealing and cheating
You probably think that I hold resentment for you
But, uh uh, oh no, you're wrong
'Cause if it wasn't for all that you tried to do
I wouldn't know just how capable I am to pull through
So I wanna say thank you, cause it...

Makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
It makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
Makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter

Oh, ohh

Never, saw it coming
All of, your backstabbing
Just so, you could cash in
On a good thing before I realized your game
I heard, you're going around
Playing, the victim now
But don't, even begin
Feeling I'm the one to blame
'Cause you dug your own grave

After all of the fights and the lies cause you're wanted to haunt me
But that won't work anymore
Uh, no more, oh no, it's over
'Cause if it wasn't for all of your torture
I wouldn't know how to be this way now, and never back down
So I wanna say thank you

'Cause it makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
Makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
It makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter

How could this man I thought I knew
Turn out to be unjust, so cruel
Could only see the good in you
Pretended not to see the truth
You tried to hide your lies, disguise yourself
Through living in denial
But in the end you'll see
You won't stop me

I am a fighter and I
I ain't goin' stop
There is no turning back
I've had enough

Makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
It makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
Makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter

Thought I would forget
But I, I remember
I'll remember, I'll remember

Makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
It makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
Makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter

I have grown so much and had so much self-discovery since then. And you are too! Just look at you go! Wow! I'm proud of you for continuing to go to those meetings, and not backing down. This is your life and you can go and be where-ever you want to! I'm glad you just think of him as invisible! I'm sure he sees your strength, and is probably somewhat envious of it, even if he will never, ever, ever admit it. I bet his ego is hurt just a bit too, realizing you are going on and not missing a beat. Bigger and better things! Just living life so that you experience all the wonderful things it has to offer. Let the joy and all the opportunities flow in and be open to you!

Thanks so much! Yes I think he believed I would just shrink away and die because he erased me from his life... but guess what - it's made me grow, at a very fast and intense rate. And it's made me realize that I have friends, like you, and all of you here that are able to put ego aside to share and care for someone who is in need! You are all so special and I really am so grateful you are willing to share your authentic, loving and sometimes vulnerable selves.

I am so, so grateful.

Thank you

Jan.

[ann]

Sometimes we feel like that dark cloud over us will never go away. I always try to believe things in our lives happen for a reason. Sometimes we figure it out and sometimes we don't. Sadness has followed you around too long. Happiness will move in soon, it's inevitable. Your in our thoughts and prayes here daily. .by the way, I caught your post to Dottie. Your receiving some wonderful "signs". Could it be the possible start of new happiness? I think so..Hugs..Ann

[Zita'sMom]

Sometimes we feel like that dark cloud over us will never go away. I always try to believe things in our lives happen for a reason. Sometimes we figure it out and sometimes we don't. Sadness has followed you around too long. Happiness will move in soon, it's inevitable. Your in our thoughts and prayes here daily. .by the way, I caught your post to Dottie. Your receiving some wonderful "signs". Could it be the possible start of new happiness? I think so..Hugs..Ann

Thank you Ann.

I think there are signs around me telling me that my passed loved ones, fur friends included, are close and support me in these challenging times and that a bright future is around the corner.

I had an amazing, amazing dream... I will tell you about it.

I was at the ocean and some people I knew were on the beach. I looked up into the sky and I saw exotic red marlins (you know those swordfish type sea creatures) flying through the sky. I was amazed and enthralled. I asked the people I knew if they had seen them. They said no, but a lady I had never met came to me and said she saw them too.

Then I continued looking up and saw dolphins flying through the sky... it was spectacular. I wish I could project the images because it was simply awe-inspiring.

Then after the dolphins flew by, there were walruses in the sky. There were so many of them that they completely filled the entire sky and all I could see anywhere were these brown bodies. They were diving into the ocean and as they dove they were brushing against me. It was overwhelming and beautiful and maybe even a little frightening, but the very moment I felt overwhelmed they all subsided into the ocean.

I don't know what this dream means, but I believe it is about transformation to new and wonderful things. Dolphins represent love and spirituality to me. I looked up the meaning of walruses in a dream dictionary and it spoke of strength and having a "thick skin". I think this is a sign that I am surrounded by protection.

I have had so many vivid dreams lately, it's just amazing. So there is something going on and something deeper that is very connected to my soul. I love dreams and these ones have been awe-inspiring, and no I wasn't eating or drinking (or smoking) anything "weird" before I went to bed!! Honest!!

thanks for thinking of me Ann.

I hope you are doing okay?

Jan.

[ann]

Hi Jan yes dreams do hold significant meanings. Keep a log of them and there meanings and I bet you'll find it to be like putting peices of puzzel together. Very cool!..I just noticed something and appologize for not picking up on this sooner. I love your avatar so much. I think it's so precious, but I just noticed the little pillow in the background, that of an angel. They truely are and you've got one on each of your shoulders to guide you though it all..Ann

[Zita'sMom]

Hi Jan yes dreams do hold significant meanings. Keep a log of them and there meanings and I bet you'll find it to be like putting peices of puzzel together. Very cool!..I just noticed something and appologize for not picking up on this sooner. I love your avatar so much. I think it's so precious, but I just noticed the little pillow in the background, that of an angel. They truely are and you've got one on each of your shoulders to guide you though it all..Ann

Hi Ann - dreams do tell us a lot and I do keep a dream diary. I had some disturbing ones last night about x-h, and I feel quite distraught today, and very teary about so many losses in my life. Sometimes it just hits me and I feel like weeping endlessly, though I know I'll pick up and go on. Sometimes I feel like my whole life has been surreal the past couple of years. I just can't quite grasp all that's happened. So I just let the tears flow today. At least my dogs and Zeus don't mind.

And yes, I have often thought the photo in my avatar was maybe a message to me that I wasn't aware of at the time. If you look closely you'll see the angel's finger is pointing at Zita. Perhaps it is a message that she was chosen for me, but that the angels couldn't give her long on earth. She was such an angel, that kitty. I remembered today accidentally locking her in the bathroom and finding her just peacefully sleeping in the sink. She was so trusting and content.

take care

Jan

[goliath]

This evening I was cochairing a meeting - the only meeting - that I attend where "guess who" always shows up. Someone told me I should just stop going to those meetings. But you can tell your friend that I decided I would make sure I did go.

Hi Jan,

Very interesting that you chose this for me to tell my friend. Yesterday she called to tell me she would not be attending the board meeting that she thought was scheduled for last night. The meeting actually isn't until next Monday night. Her husband sits on the board and she didn't want to face the neighbors or him as yet. After telling her what you said, she WILL be going along with my hubby and me next Monday night. Thanks again......it's amazing how one can touch another and boost them up without even knowing it.

Keep plugging away girl because you truly set an example that is to be followed. I'm so proud of you and the path you've chosen.

Hugs,
Beth