Crossing Over & Reincarnation Options

[catwom3]

I have a local animal communicator who I've retained a number of times, I've also read numerous books on animal communication. Although, I have found my local animal communicator to be "on the money" the overwhelming majority of the time, there seems to be two areas where she differs from the majority of what I've read.

1. She said that after an animal passes to the other side, there is a small time frame (a few months) before they can come back to visit us in spirit or before she can communicate with them. Again, most other animal communicators/authors have told stories of immediate communication with a pet that has crossed over.

I have a cat that passed over about a month ago, who I had for almost 16 years. I had my local animal communicator come to my house 3 days later, I wanted to communicate with my cat particularly because I had her euthanized, but my animal communicator told me it was too soon. Needless to say, that was extremely disappointing to me. She said that my deceased cat was busy, and for me to try again in a few months. The only reason I received any information at all regarding her passing over was because my other cat who died a number of years ago was there when my recently passed cat crossed over and communicated some information to me. This kind of makes sense to me, however, various other animal communicators seem to communicate immediately with animals who have passed over to the other side. So, I'm confused.

2. The other topic was that my local animal communicator stated that an animal can reincarnate as a human in a future life, but a human cannot reincarnate to an animal in a future life. Since I don't believe that humans are any higher than animals, quite often, I find animals much wiser than humans, I had trouble with that one. Also, in the numerous books I've read by famous animal communicators, there have been stories of current pets who were once a husband or a son in a past life to a current person.

Would love other takes and experiences on those two topics.

This post has been edited by catwom3: Jan 21 2008, 10:38 AM

[toonie]

Catmom, I'm very sorry that your lost your cat a month ago, sixteen years must carry a lot of memories and the bond that was must have left you feeling pretty down.
I have expressed my skepticism about animal communicators but others here
have a lot of faith in them, we shall perhaps hear from them. I like to leave a healthy dose of doubt in all that may be just because none of us really knows for sure, but
according to some who claim to have intuitive knowledge about these things(Rudolph Steiner for example) we would go through 'levels' of life, each reign would be repeated until we finally get it right. So we would have known mineral, vegetable, animal, human, and would go on to angel and archangel reigns. Sometimes it helps to believe this, especially if you are having a particularily difficult time with someone you have just met, you can always stay patient if you figure this one must be some kind of animal that's just crossed over recently As for the time span between their being able to communicate with us that too according to Steiner is correct, there is a sort of drowsy dreamy state after death before the spirit can move on, again who really knows, conclusion is if you have the money, go for it, if you are cash strapped, keep your money close to your pocket. And don't forget my theory that if we knew our soulmates best and if any communication is possible, why shouldn't we just try to get in touch with them on our own?

[Beaglegirl]

I mioght take a LOT of flak for this, but I wouldn't want to communicate with my deceased pet.
I love each and every one of them so much, why would I want to bother them in the afterlife? Why let them know I'm hurting and missing them, wouldn't it hurt them, when they should be enjoying their peace and rest?
I think if they WANT to communicate with you they will, at THEIR will at their own time.
I have lost a lot of pets, and I see them in dreams. I don't know if that is communication or not, but all the dreams are good and the pets are healthy and happy, not like the state they left this world in.
I hope and pray your heart feels peace and rest at some point, because just trust that your pets are fine.
My belief (if it has any bearing at all) is to be dead is to be with god, I don't believe in any fuzzy state. I'm sure when my pets go to heaven they go straight there. They have no sins, they have no rapture to wait for, but they are offered peace and rest immediately.
That is just what I firmly believe, so I don't know if my values count any. But I think I wouldn't feel it so, if it weren't true.

[toonie]

Thanks Beaglegirl for an enlightened point of view:

I love each and every one of them so much, why would I want to bother them in the afterlife? Why let them know I'm hurting and missing them, wouldn't it hurt them, when they should be enjoying their peace and rest?
I think if they WANT to communicate with you they will, at THEIR will at their own time.

I hope and pray your heart feels peace and rest at some point, because just trust that your pets are fine.

Yous are as convincing if not more than any other after life theories. I had to smile about your discounting the fuzzy state part, I was brought up catholic and when I was little there was a place for unbaptized souls, it was called limbo then some pope cancelled the place, I'm relieved they decided that those innocents babes could go to heaven after all

But I think I wouldn't feel it so, if it weren't true.

Right on!

[E.M]

From my experience of time scales I would have to say this is not correct. Firstly my Denis was sitting on my chest the next morning after his passing, the second morning he was next to the bed. When my Marshall passed he was around the house for well over a week because I kept tripping over him.

With regards to communication there is one animal communicator whom I trust implicitly because she has been 120% accurate with everything she has told me and said stuff that she would have not known about, from the very minor stuff to major stuff. She contacted my Lucy 1 month after her passing. Having been on A/C workshops, read numerous books etc nothing has ever been mentioned about a time delay.

The only reason I can think of for not engaging in dialogue straight away is that sometimes a period of adjustment may be needed for them to get used to their transition especially in the cases where the animal has gone suddenly because they will need time to get used to the fact that they left our world.

I can tell you that both Denis and Lucy were thrilled to bits to hear from me and not for one minute did they think I was bothering them!

I also 'made contact' with a dear friend who passed not long ago and can tell you he barged ahead of everyone else (family) in order to 'speak' to me and was absolutely buzzing from the opportunity of being able to have this contact.

I see it as why shouldn't I care about them in their death when I cared so much about them in their life?

As for 'if they want to communicate they will, at their own time' can you guarentee that they will be heard if they did?

[toonie]

As for 'if they want to communicate they will, at their own time' can you guarentee that they will be heard if they did?

Excellent point EM

[Beaglegirl]

Well, I figure I'll see them again when I die, so I guess that is why I'm not so desparate to reach them now.

[LuvLabs]

Sorry, but I don't believe in these communicators. Have they died and come back to life...I doubt it. How can they possibly know what happens to animals or humans? And what could make one animal come back and visit their loved ones...and not another? Life is a mystery and death is even more complicated to understand. Unless we died and came back to life...then we haven't the knowledge of what truly happens.

I hold my departed loved ones in my heart. I had to let them go when they were suffering. I trust that they are at peace now as it should remain. As the saying goes there is a time to be born and a time to die.

[goliath]

While I do not believe in reincarnation, I do believe that God sends us signs to let us know that our loved ones are ok. The bible speaks clearly on reincarnation and teaches us that it does not exist.

I too will hang onto my beautiful memories of my precious Goliath because Jesus gave those memories for me to keep forever. I will also continue to pray for God's comfort and blessings as I continue to miss Goliath. The Lord will keep my awareness open so that I might receive anything He wants me to learn or see.

Goliath was mine on earth and now belongs to God in heaven. There is no doubt that my Goliath is soaring amongst the angels.

What a glorious day it will be when Goliath and I reunite in heaven

NOTE: Isaiah 8:19-20

19When men tell you to consult mediums and spirits, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20To the law and to the testimony if they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.

[E.M]

Well what can I say after that. You have played the 'God' Joker card and that makes it difficult for me to respond.

This original thread was not about religion but somebody asking advice about animal communicators.

What ever I say now with reference to YOUR particular beliefs I will get slammed for blasphemy as I do not hold the same views.

I am now not able to have a worthy discussion about differences in opinion because you have now mentioned 'God' and if I did try and discuss my differences of opinion I would probably attract so many adverse replies that the topic would end up being locked by LS. This is unfair. I never mentioned faith or religion, the original post was never about faith but life after death.

The whole reason for this site and forum is to provide comfort for the people who have suffered the loss of a loved one and what ever form of comfort they choose, whether that be belief in animal communication, reincarnation or visitation so be it. Let sleeping dogs (or cats) lie.

I am sure there are other websites more suited to theology than this one, which is purely a website for those who have suffered the loss of a pet or companion regardless of religous belief.

[toonie]

E.M. I read you loud and clear. And my heart goes to you for your courage, not easy what you have so sincerely expressed. I can see how you would be frustrated by this, you have had experiences that confirm what you believe in, your arguments are as strong as any other, who are we to say that one way of thinking is right and another wrong. Although I completely accept that some don't believe in animal communicators because their religion forbids / discounts it, can we now continue this dialogue on animal communicators without censure, attacks over one's different ideas and especially not over one's particular flavour of religion? Believers or not, let us appreciate the fact that Jesus Christ suggested that we pray in private and gave us the Lord's prayer as an example of how to pray (away from everyone else he suggested, not for show) and please let'S NOT fight or wage wars over faith: it's God's will that we want done, not our own.

I had in previous posts expressed doubts in animal communicators because I figured if one can open a dialogue with the departed, who better than the one who was closest? but E.M, you sort of answered it by reminding me that some individuals are more receptive, that's a very good argument. I'll also argue that if there is such a thing as beyond life communication it seems odd to me that it isn't practiced that much more from human being to (deceased)human being instead, they could 'proove' it that much better. It is a very diverse world that we live in and I believe that this diversity is not only intentional it is necessary, if we can learn from it it shows that there is never one way, or one belief but many and really in the end they all make sense and are all part of an ent*ity that we know nothing or very little of and we should at least be open to what we don't know about.

Peace to all!

[E.M]

Thank you Toonie for your post.

And I thank you for your usual level headed approach to it. I seek not to offend anyone for what they believe or don't believe in. It would be a very boring world if we all believed in the same thing!

You are quite right in saying/asking why communication isn't practiced much more than it is.

The scientific community are still very skeptic about this stuff however I have read 'The Afterlife Experiments' by Gary Schwartz where he does indeed try and prove that this sort of communication is possible.

This is a very interesting book which I found had some very valuable experiments and appreciated the fact that someone of his calibre was willing to put his neck on the line in order to conduct the experiments, he was one very brave man who risked the mocking of the scientific community of which he had been part of, in order to unravel this complex subject.

A must read for anyone, believers or not.

[myhrtisbrkn]

Well here's one for all of you.

I'm a Christian, I consider myself devout. I'm familiar with the passages quoted by Goliath. I'm also familiar with a passage from Matthew, proclaiming John the Baptist to be the prophet Elijah.

Exactly how does all of that work...only the Almighty knows. That's what makes it faith. I only know that animals are purely innocent, that their spirits belong to God. And he preserves them.

Peace to you all,
Dayna

Also, the bible says, that you know that you have passed from death unto life...for you love the brethren... I believe the brethren question are not only the bipedal ones. for all life is sacred. So to you beautiful lightning strike folk, I say, congratulations on your passage from death unto life.

[forduffy]

In all honesty, I have stayed away from this particular subject (to a HUGE fault) because it generally gets pretty powered. As they say, I stay away from religion and politics, albeit I happen to have pretty strong opinions.

E.M., I commend you for being so brave and wish that I was as brave as you. I have been considering animal communicators recently myself although life gets busy and I have yet to figure out who to turn to. I don't really know what I believe except that I refuse to discount ANYTHING. I want to hear people's experiences like yours. I, personally, have not really had any but I wish I would. I did have one case of seeing butterflies for a while after I lost Duffy but it's those experiences that can not really confirm anything. I am an avid reader on the subject of animal communication and reincarnation. In addition, I would never judge anyone for their strong beliefs except those people out there (and hopefully None here in this forum) who would use their religion to judge others. So, after all of that, I want you to know that I appreciate hearing what you've experienced and I will never discount it or doubt it. I'm just jealous that I'm not as perceptive.

[Beaglegirl]

I too, don't discuss religion or politics, but on certain things those can't be avoided.

I guess as a Christian, and I'm devout, I don't have to question anything, or feel the need to communicate with the dead. Death is such a temporary separation!!!

I guess also as a Christian, we kind of have it easier when it does come to death. We have no questions of the afterlife, and NO, these aren't things I was taught.
You have to go by your heart. I have it easy, once my heart opened to Jesus I had peace.
It seems to me some people search their whole lives for "who they are" and "where they are" that they never learn contentment because they are always searching for something.

My heart is content, I am at peace. I wish that for EVERYONE. Contentment and peace at where you are in life, and who you are in life. Why waste your lifetime searching. Find peace.

I do not ever want to offend anyone. I do not think I judge people, some people mistakenly think they are being "judged" by christians when the opposite is true.
We pray for people who aren't christians because we only want to share this peace, to end the searching, and the discontent.

I'll shut up now. I do not aim to make any enemies. And, if you are my enemy, and you hate me, it makes no difference! I am hardwired to love you. I will not judge you, but I will continue to pray for you.

[freddie]

I can't believe that people can be closed to this or religion when nobody has the answers for sure, so why not be open to everything until proven otherwise !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone is ent*itled to their own view.
I don't judge anyone's belief's or opinions & I certainly do not mean to offend any of the beautiful people on this site.

[E.M]

Everyone is ent*itled to their own views but I was not aware that this thread was actually a poll for those who believe and those who don't.

I can't also see the relevance of someone initially asking for advice then for someone to post a reply saying I don't believe because of such and such. I see that as opinion not advice.

[freddie]

EM we totally agree with your last posting ! so here is our story and advice not our opinion !
We contacted a local animal communicator , this was 4 weeks after his passing so i don't know about the time factor . She was fantastic first of all our Freddie bought 2 other souls thru first .The first was a little yorkshire terrier we lost 5 years ago on my family farm she told us what happened to her and that the passing was the next day after we lost her without going into to much detail the communicator was spot on .The next was my father that i nursed with cancer until his death came thru and said only things my father would of said .Last came our little boy the communicator was spot on .We take great comfort in this and will do it again we are hving a reading for our 5 remaining babies to make sure they are all ok as our communicator can tap into how they are feeling and any health problems before its to late to be diagnosed potentially saving there live let alone the money saved by picking up on ailments sooner rather later
prevention is better than a cure ! The animal communicator we used has excellent feed back and has proven to have helped others with there animals .She told us because of the love shared he is staying with and around us and is not a earthwalker my father is with him as well as our other little baby

[forduffy]

Hi Freddie's Dad-
I hope you don't mind if I ask you a couple of questions as I have been considering contacting an A/C. What do you mean by "earthwalker"?

[Furkidlets' Mom]

Catwom3,

I haven't been here very often of late, but I happened to check in tonight and noticed your subject....one near and dear to my heart. But first-off, please accept my condolences on the passing of your dear, 16 year-old cat and know that I understand the need to continue your relationship and contact, even though its form has changed now. I could STILL talk to my girl every week, if I were rich enough to afford it!

But to give you my take on your 2 subjects:

1.) I've noticed this differing perspective among a few communicators, too, although most I've talked to no longer hold to a set time frame for a first communication. (this used to be more common about a decade ago) The first one I ever used (who was fabulous at it!) used to do this (I believe her wait period was a minimum of 3 months, but preferably 6), but in later years she stopped using that protocol for some reason. I never found out why because by the time I heard about this change, she'd already moved onto other things and was no longer providing ACing services.

In any case, I've wondered if perhaps this has more to do with them simply not wishing to 'deal' with the high emotionality of the newly grieving, more than anything else. If so, I suppose one could hardly blame them, as this is a very 'touchy' time and if they don't have a counseling background, it might be difficult for them to handle well. Equally, it could simply be tied into how all things 'energetic' have magnified on the planet over the last while, and so perhaps it was just harder to pick up on these newly-transitioned souls in the past. So this could be something your communicator learned was so THEN, but hasn't revisited more recently to see if anything's changed.

I have also heard a more reasoned approach, I think, and that is that as with anything else, it's all very individually-based. Some animals, JUST like some humans, seem to need a sort of 'rest' period upon arrival in the other realms. The length of this rest period varies according to the individual and supposedly also according to the length and severity of their illness, whether their death was sudden or not, etc., etc., etc. But nothing is written in stone as to reasons why this may be, and many communicators (and human mediums) will tell you they're uncertain what the reasons really are.....if they're honest, that is. I'd also had a few tell me that they would TRY, but if they sensed the animal's energy was too weak yet (or the animal simply told them they weren't ready to chat yet), they just wouldn't charge for it and I could try again a few wks. later.

While I'm talking below about signs, and not formal communications with ACers, the ENERGY is what's important here. In other words, if you can get a sign, there shouldn't be any reason you can't communicate with an individual. Getting a sign indicates that their energy is strong, focused, full of capability and NOT 'at rest.'

So I CAN tell you, first-hand and for certain, that my boy began sending very clear, definitive messages to both me and his sister (when she was still with me) only a day or two after he crossed, even though he'd had a traumatic and quite swift illness, and what seemed, on the surface at least, to be a very difficult passing. We both heard auditory signs very clearly and loudly and I personally felt him nuzzling my ear and tromping my hair, just as he was known to do. He came through loud and clear, just as he'd always done with me while here in the flesh. He'd always just been very GOOD at these kinds of things.

And yet his sister (by blood), who was with me for a much longer time, did not (at least not early on), and according to her distance Reiki practi*tioner (for over 6 yrs.' time) sensed that she WAS taking & needing a short resting period....but that lasted for only for about 2 wks. Her illness was chronic, slow and lengthy, if that's any indication of anything. She, by comparison, has sent only subtler signs for the most part....similar to her telepathic style when she was on earth. I did have a communication with her a fairly short time after her passing, whereas I'd had to wait many months for one with my boy (with that first communicator), despite his strong presence around us. So I suspect it's rather a stupidly rigid rule.

As well, it does appear to be true, in mine and others' experience, that some of us are just better at sending messages than others are, both while in the earthly realm and seemingly translated into the higher realms as well. And some of us are better attuned as receivers. Mediumship is as much an art as anything else and some are just better at it than others (even if we ARE all capable to some degree), so perhaps this wait period is ALSO a mark of how receptive any one communicator is, or isn't. Or, maybe it's only their beliefs that muck up their 'antennas'.

Let's also not forget that there are literally THOUSANDS of accounts of people seeing, touching and even having two-way conversations with spirits (of any species) who have crossed over mere moments before, when the person who saw, spoke to, touched them, weren't even aware that individual had JUST crossed! So, it does appear to be VERY individual by nature as to time frame.

You might just want to take a look at dozens of ACer's websites to see how many agree or disagree with each other's messages from the animals....also trying to find out just how MANY communications each one has done. Myself, I tend to listen more keenly to the ones who've done thousands, as that seems to be more fairly representative of the diversity or similarity in the info. they've amassed from the souls in question. However, that said, there's never anything MORE powerful and affirming than having your own, DIRECT experience, should you be so fortunate.

2.) Okay, I just have to shake my head at this one. My personal opinion, but taken from my intuitive 'knowings', is that this is nothing more than the usual human arrogance and insistence that this species, and this species ONLY, is somehow "superior" to all other species. To my mind, this is part of the old world paradigm, and one that's starting to die out, slowly but surely. So I have as much "trouble" with this one as you....and probably even more! lol! What I find quite distressing, though, is that your communicator would hold fast to this and state it as fact, when I suspect this is only really her opinion and chosen viewpoint. I suspect this because most of the best communicators take courses on the ETHICS involved with ACing, where it is taught to leave out, to the best of your ability, your OWN personal viewpoints and stick to WHAT THE ANIMALS HAVE TOLD YOU in the course of your work, or sometimes better still, ONLY what that PARTICULAR animal you've just connected to has told you is so for THEM....unless a client asks you for more elaboration on the subject at hand. And obviously, I do believe in reincarnation as an individual choice/soul.

And on another personal note, whether people think I'm "crazy" or not (nope, don't care, either), I, for one, always had the feeling, intuition, 6th sense, call it what you will....that my boy had actually been my spouse or partner of some sort in another lifetime. It wasn't logical, in a linear-thinking way, but there it was, all the same, and nothing could shake that feeling in me. I felt like HE'D looked after ME at some other point in time. And by comparison, I did not have this particular feeling about my girl. With her, it felt like I'd always 'played' her Mommy, or guardian in some way before.

So there you have my take and some of my experiences. While they don't answer anything definitively, it's a sharing, and what you asked for, and I just hope it helps somehow. Once again, I'm so sorry for your loss and hope you can find some sort of resolution and peace from a communicator whose beliefs align more closely with your own should you decide to try someone new.

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And perhaps those who've had the good fortune to find really great communicators could share their names and contact info., either in this thread or in that old one we'd started in a different forum quite awhile back (I forget now which forum it was, but a quick search should yield it), for the sake of those interested in finding reliable ones? (E.M., I think you'd listed yours already, but I'm not certain) As with any profession, there are good, just okay, bad, and ugly ones, so word of mouth is always worthwhile.

Oh, and I actually DO personally now know someone who died for certain on the operating table (it was more than a few minutes) a few years ago and then came back here, even though he wasn't slated to. Guess what he told me about my views on animals always having been (and never having lost that ability) so in-tune with our Source?......that I've got it "exactly right" and that I "already KNOW"....it was a very welcome affirmation of what my soul had already told me so many moons ago.

P.S.- E.M., you'd also likely enjoy Gary's book, "The Energy Healing Experiments". It, too, is right up your alley. The form of healing work I now practice has also been studied a bit already in Gary's lab and in the field by both him and William (Bill) Tiller (another preeminent scientist), with more experiments planned, and an official paper by Gary on the work to date is in the works, too. So keep your eyes peeled!