"People in the West love this stuff......." Well, yes, often in large part because 'western' religions &/or philosophies haven't served them well enough and there's a dire need at one point or another for something that does.

"...after all these years of trying to 'find 'the answer from other humans...and think for themselves." Yep, and learn how to go into yourself to find what answers you need. Having said that, though, most of these authors/teachers do say, too, that it's all already within YOU, and you don't REALLY need them. It's all part of discerning what works for you, and what doesn't. You know...the ol' AA mantra of "take what you like and leave the rest." And of course, a LOT of people have never even had any exposure to non-status-quo type thinking or works, so they gotta start somewhere.

Like many, I'm mainly just trying to find a way to MINIMIZE the amount of pain, not eliminate it. Even Buddha couldn't eliminate it all. And if we did, we wouldn't have that duality as contrast...a whole other topic!

"I still miss my boy Willy like you can't believe and am in Hell everyday..........If my wife dies before me I will REALLY REALLY be in Hell everyday." Agreed.....unless the universe has something even better in store for me than I can even imagine today! I'll allow for that possibility.

"I have not read the autobiography you mentioned but will google it and order a copy." Looks like you can now read it online, for free. Even better!

I like Siddhartha quotes, too. And now, I "need do".....some work around here! (you two could keep me here aaaaaaaalllll day! )

Hey you 2---------You know I think women (such as yourselves) with big brains are much more attractive than.....Well you guys finish the sentence...........

I gotta go to work know and make some noise on the drums.............Time to 'clock'in ..........................

Online eh?? Cool........will do that tonite.........

Jan and FK's Mom-----------------Have a great day you guys,

Your cranky old forum pal,
Bubba.................................

P.S.----------Yep A.A. is a very deep program---------I still go to meetings around the holidays for my annual 'tune up'.......................

Awww thanks Bubba. That brightened my day.

And I don't think you're cranky, you're just being real...

Jan.

And actually Bubba maybe Tolle's methods do work. This evening I was at a class and it actually struck me as really funny how x-h didn't just leave me, he ran for his *life* from me... Now why that is funny I don't know, but if you saw me in person, I'm really not so threatening, or at least I didn't *think* so....

But I'm pretty sure it's the first time I've really laughed about it.

Jan.

Hey Jan--------Isn't it cool how we read so much material over time and sometimes we think that we are reading the same stuff over and over again and then..........boom !!!! something clicks and we say 'AHA"!!!!!!!!! there it is in living color.That's the payoff to all the studying.That 'Power of Now' thing becomes so real and you realize that all we really have is Now.Everything else is between our ears.I have read so many of these type books that I just have to live and see what takes place.But it is easy to forget things and an occasional review does do me good.To remember to put the methods into actual practice.Sounds like your turning the page.Keep up the good work kiddo!!!!!!!!!!
Bubba.................

Thanks Bubba

The hardest part for me is that x-h and I did all the same things. We liked the same activities and when I go now there is always that thing that I may bump into him. I still can't believe he turned on me the way he did... how could anyone do that to someone they (even once) loved? I wonder, did I marry an alien in a human body? How did he know to trick me so well to think he really cared? Even the day before he announced in that counselling session that I was the reason for everything bad in his life, he was calling me to meet up and get groceries together. I don't get it. I have never heard of this kind of 'nurture you' one day then "drop you like a hot potato" the next.

And that weird thing he did - "choosing" between me and his daughter (maybe on behalf of his dead wife?)- how terribly destructive ... and if this were the choice for him couldn't he have thought about this before deciding to marry me? So many questions. As time goes I hope it will just be like a funny line in a book. "I terrified a grown man so much that he ran fleeing for his life." Well I'm sure there are funnier lines than that but there must be some other way to see it.

Someone said to me yesterday that my pain over Ziggy was maybe that I didn't "fully" believe she is well and alive in the spirit world. It's not that I don't believe she is alive and well, and I've even seen glimpses (and a very 3D one of Zita) of them. It's that I haven't had the sort of dream or experience where I really touch and contact them to connect deeply, like we did here on earth. I have had lots of dreams with my dog Merlin where the contact was very real, but not with Zita or Ziggy. I would like to have a conversation with them or with someone who was with them. I will keep putting that thought out there and perhaps one day it will happen.

I have to believe there is joy and happiness still in the future for me, otherwise I would not find a reason to carry on. I do believe there is a state of mind in suffering where people become almost separate from themselves - the silent observer maybe. I think it has to do with the connectedness of everything (or God, if you'd rather call it that). I think if you can tap into the "connectedness" the pain seems more distant or less relevent maybe.

You said something stopped you from committing suicide years ago? What exactly were the concepts that helped you with that decision? (Just curious, not contemplating suicide.)

Jan.

Here is a sympathy letter from Ram Dass for a couple whose daughter was murdered.

I think it is quite similar to what Tolle said.

Here's the link:

http://www.kotapress.com/section_articles/...hel_ramDass.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV9cXKHkX34

Here is an interview with Ram Dass on suffering.

If you don't want to actually watch the whole thing, I would just like to share the last line.

Perhaps it needs to be my mantra.

"Suffering brings me very close to God."

Toonie, are you there? Thoughts?

Jan.

Jan---

The pain is too difficult to revisit.Very very complex.However,I can say that had I not suffered to a place of suicide I would have never come to the realization that this life is not a result of chaotic chance but of a design of a higher plan that I can never really know until I am supposed to know.I can't say I know God or that He speaks to me.Suicide would obviously cancel any chance of completing my job here on earth and would forever void the opportunity to finally be one with Him...........Ram Dass provided me with the tools to live in this evolving model.I love him and He saved my life.............Thank you for the vid and the letter...........
Bubba....................

Jan,

A few thoughts....

Do you think it's possible there may be something else at work with ex-h? Like maybe drugs or something? Or even some dis-ease, like adult-onset schizophrenia? Just some possibilities I'd thought of.

And if not, I keep recalling all the posts I've read on another grief site that deal with people losing their spouses to death and the 'number' it does on them, just as it does on us, but with its own particular set of different challenges. Some of them have started da*ting (can't believe the censors voided THAT innocuous term!) too soon (they discover for themselves later), some have remarried and it's all fallen apart not long afterward. I remember one older woman who'd lost her H, dated and then remarried a good friend who'd also lost his spouse (they all knew each other, as two couples)....and then he ended up cheating on her with a younger woman! So maybe it's possible that ex-h really wasn't ready to recommit but didn't even know it....even more possible if he's the type to stuff feelings down in the first place. I can't remember now how long it had been for him after his previous wife had died before marrying you, but maybe he wasn't at all prepared, hadn't done his grief work well enough, etc., and so really couldn't handle anything challenging in a new relationship. Maybe it was a terribly simplistic dream he held in his head, about remarrying and everything being hunky-dory and 'saving' him from his grief. This kind of thing might explain his rather 'split personality'-type responses to all sorts of things. If you think this is a possibility, perhaps you might find some helpful perspectives from those who've lost spouses to death?

I haven't had a chance to listen to Ram Dass there, but did read his letter, and I'll tell you, if anyone had written a letter like that to ME, I'd wash and then kiss their feet! How validating is THAT of our feelings?! And yes, it does sound very like in our suffering, is also our joy type of idea. I've just never understood what the key difference is in the proverbial "hitting bottom" and the mind-screeching pain & physically-feeling-heart-searing I'VE felt at the loss of each of my kidlets, and "hitting bottom", that I didn't miraculously have that connection to All suddenly open up to ME. It's sure FELT like I've "hit bottom", several times! So, how to access this if pain such as that doesn't automatically do it for you? Another mystery.....

Same here, in the difference between Sabin's contacts and Nissa's.....and it really hurts. I'm in the middle of reading (finally) "Hello From Heaven" by the Guggenheims and admit to feeling on one hand, comforted, but on the other, larger hand, hurt and frustrated. I still feel like I not only want, but NEED that full-blown type of ADC from my girl, and yet it's been closer now to 2.5 yrs. and nada that way. And just as all the folks in the book say, it's being enveloped in those peaceful feelings that accompany such visits, whether in "dreamtime" or in a waking state (even better!, I say), that really helps them carry on with more peace and assurance in their hearts, because they've FELT it first-hand....just as it helped me that way with some of Sabin's visits. (had you posted before about this 3D visit from Zita? I forget now)

That's what I've found, when I've been lucky enough to actually experience what concurrently being the "silent witness/observer" is like. It's only happened for very short bursts of time, like a few seconds here and there, but the effect I've noticed is that those moments seem to sort of take the edge off pain. So I can imagine that if one were able to sit in that longer, much pain might just naturally soften or even leave for good. Don't know how this really works, but that was its natural effect, regardless.

Bubba,
(emphasis mine) While my comment certainly isn't a promotion for killing oneself, I actually don't believe in that idea...that you're utterly doomed if you suicide. I believe you still "go into the light" and are helped by other most-loving souls there, but that you still have to work through whatever brought you to that point, so more accurately, YOU are still the one creating your suffering, even in the spirit realms. So it might take you longer (but if there's no real time there, what does that matter?) to feel more like One, you'd still always have the chance to 'get there'. In "Hello From Heaven", just as in many other books of that nature, there are accounts of people being visited by those who 'killed' themselves.....and yet, they, too, are still alive and okay in those other realms, and surrounded by love. To my mind, a Source that is imbued with real love (and where else would WE get that from if our Source didn't originally have it in spades?) is not punishing or denying or not all-inclusive, as that is not love. Think about it.....if you could not have been coerced into punishing or otherwise deliberately harming or otherwise denying your beloved Willy of love, how could the Creator of All ever 'embody' something so opposite to LOVE itself? Logically and rationally impossible, I say. And that's just my (lower-vibration) HEAD speaking, never mind what my (closer-to-Source) HEART says.

Oh, and btw, thanks from me, too, for such a nice compliment to us about our "big brains"! It's always nice to have that appreciated.....especially by a guy!

Furkidlet's Mom, I definitely agree with some of your take on things.

There was someone on the Oprah show, on her spiritual show the other day that really struck me. He was a plane crash survivor. Oprah asked if he thought he had been saved by divine intervention, while others died. He said, no I think it was pure chance. Then he said as he watched the flames take over all these people, he saw "auras" leave their bodies. He said some were much brighter than others, and that really struck him as powerful. He said it completely changed him, and he wanted to live his life to make sure his aura was bright when he went. I thought that was really beautiful. I think it's up to us to live our own lives for good and make our "auras" as bright as we can.

Bubba, I really love reading your posts and your thoughts on things- very intriguing stuff. But I do dis-agree with you about suicide. Having been touched so very personally by suicide myself (which I will not go into), I cannot and will not ever believe that one act causes you to not go to "Heaven" or your version of Heaven. I believe God knows very well how much pain someone can be in, and in some cases, it becomes to much. But I don't believe that would cause them not to go into the light, and a good place, when that person was a good person and lived their whole live to serve others and do good things. Just my thoughts.

I believe we are very spiritual beings, and after Ren's passing, I had so many signs that he is still here with me. I do believe I saw a purple aura that was his on two different occasions. It was a purple light hovering in my room, and it didn't go away.

I think there is probably a lot more to our existence than we can ever realize. After all, they are starting to discover from quantum physics that molecules actually pop in and out of existence, meaning they go somewhere else not of this world... another universe, place, dimension, ect., who knows? And they also think there are an infinite number of universes. They define our universe as a membrane, where everything is connected. I even recently read that they think they can eventually bend the time/space continum to where we can step into another universe. Very intriguing stuff....

And here I was about to get off this computer.... but ya snagged me, Nemo's Mommy, with your interesting post!

Actually, I don't even believe that terrible, "evil" people are denied anything, either. They've all just made mistakes or errors and "knew not what they (did)", as A Course In Miracles (and others) says.....even if I still get infuriated with them on this plane. Like suicides, it will just take them longer to reach higher vibrations. I firmly reject any ideas about a 'punishing' Creator. If Source were anything at all, really, as portrayed in western religions, I'd quite frankly rather be dead for good than return to THAT. I just don't buy it and to me, it makes no sense at all.

Speaking of auras....first, wonderful that you saw Ren's! That could have even been his soul, rather than 'just' his aura. (of course, some people think of these as the same thing) Purple is, as you probably know, one of the higher spiritually-aligned colours, too. But secondly, an acquaintance of mine just had an experience with her dying cat that also speaks to such things. Without going into it, for one thing, she experienced her cat's essence as bright white and blue light. Lovely!

For me, I've had enough (well, never really enough, cuz they're wonderful!) experiences personally that are proof enough to me that Life is Life and cannot contradict Itself, AND that other dimensions or planes exist. The evidence from science is by now so compelling that it's far more logical to say how could they NOT? (there was a great video I just watched on the whole history of quantum science in Dec. - if I find it, I'll post the link. It was great!) And that is, indeed, what many scientists HAVE been saying for quite awhile. And if THEY are no longer so fond of denying that these things must be linked to everything's spirituality, then how can WE deny THEM what they've discovered? That would be pretty arrogant and no different than when religion denied science. I've also experienced this breaking down between realms during healing sessions - very cool, very uplifting.

Not only do particles pop in and out, but can be both a "wave" and a "particle" at the same time, or switch back and forth. And let's not forget that Jesus said, "You will do all this and MORE...." Well, how do you think he was able to do what HE did, or how we'll do "even more"? It's all incredibly exciting to me. If anyone's interested in 'catching up' to much of these findings, "The Field" (the newer edition) by Lynne McTaggart is a good place to start.

I haven't had a chance to read all the posts, but I'm feeling a lot of pain right now and realizing that there is one kind of pain when someone you love passes. It is a separation and a loss.

It is another kind of pain when someone you love out and out rejects you. The whole thing about x-h "not being ready to get married so soon after his wife died" (it's what he said). What was I in this scenario? A sort of temporary medication? A distraction? I guess it makes me feel really bad about myself that he would toss me away like this, and makes me wonder how I could have been fooled into thinking he really did value me.

Right now I am trying to resolve why that makes me feel so bad and find a way to feel better.

Jan.

Nemos Mommy and FK's Mom and Jan-------Ya know, Other than the shi**ty grief it can be at times, it's fun to have been chosen to inhabit the unit called the human being.With the ongoing discoveries in science revealing the nuts and bolts of the universe coupled with our imagination of what might be on the other side, the prospect of being dead (or living as we project) in the spirit world sounds pretty good.While I am not particulary thrilled at the dying process itself and the fact (if i go first) I will be seperated from my wonderful-smart-beautiful-near Saint-unit otherwise known as my wife, Heaven sounds pretty good.Among other things I will be able to eat double chili cheeseburgers (with extra chili please)without a care for my cholesteral, Be able to listen to Duke Ellington live (as it were) anytime I choose, Not have a mortgage or property taxes, Be able to avoid ANYTHING George Bush (now that's Heaven!!!!!) and finally,never having to hear RAP Lyrics again (but keep the beats 'cause they really COOK) .

AH!!!!!!! Imagination. Ain't it GRAND!!!!!!!!!!................ Maybe a little Tower of Power on the side.No synthesizers but a REAL HORN SECTION!!!!!!!!!!

Yea Baby!!!!!!!!!

And lest I forget, All the goodies will be legal..........

........Have a great day youz guyz.............Yer 'ol Hippy correspondent,

........Bubba................And now,back to our show...........

.....but not before THIS -->

And this... What are you? Brent Butt in Corner Gas???

But I agree with pretty much everything in your idea of the other realm! But HERE, I'd still rather be a cat-unit, with a Mom-unit pretty much like me.

Hee Hee Ha Ha. I put the 'G' in Gas.Now there is an unsolicited detail.........YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!
....B..................

Cat-unit eh?...........Funny,but now that I think of it, I sort of resemble a bi-pedal version of Willy..........

Yes, indeed it is. But it doesn't have to be, in time....

I think those kinds of self-derogatory labels are a reflection of the (very understandable!) hurt you're feeling right now. But whatever you want to call it, I think possibly it's more about his own pain over his previous wife dying just....to be far less than technical....really screwing up s**t in his head so he couldn't even think straight. Nor be clearer in his own heart. And that's not to say that he felt NOTHING for you, but just as those who adopt another kidlet before they're truly emotionally ready, maybe he couldn't open his heart up ENOUGH yet? Add to that the likely unexpected rift between his daughter and you, PLUS the other major stresses that don't normally compound and tax a new marriage (those often don't show up so soon!)....and you really have sort of a recipe for disaster on the top of unresolved grief. That's NOT a personal affront so much as just a tough combination of events. Heck, I've heard of many blended families suffering great turmoil over JUST rifts between one parent and the kid(s), never mind with all these EXTRA ingredients besides.

For all you know, if he ever really processes what's happened, he may end up realizing just how valuable you really were (are)!

Do you think this is what's bothering you even more than the other part? I know it did me. I didn't like thinking of myself as, as I put it at the time, "that stupid" as to have been fooled. And in some ways I really WAS stupid, but working to understand WHY I was, about what, why he was, about what, is what propelled me forward. And straining to see that wholer, bigger picture really helped me lay aside more of the self-blame, and realize my years of bad marriage were all going to work towards my growth and more happiness later, even if in baby steps. And just so you know....despite all the horrid things, I really did love my first husband. I just gave my heart to the wrong kind of person, BUT for perfectly understandable reasons tha I wasn't aware of at the time. So, some SELF-forgiveness is always in order, too.

I guess I just can't empathize with him because I think his way of handling this was extremely hurtful and immature, if not cruel. I could never do what he did to me to someone I loved. I do understand the deep grief he was probably still experiencing, but in a couple that should be shared, not kept "secret" and sprung on me by bolting out of the relationship. I think the only thing I can compare this to is if he were a very small and naive child that had no idea what hurt he was causing by first, marrying me, then second lying to me and not sharing any important feelings (positive OR negative). Then last of all bolting and then on top of that telling everyone how great life is for him now, and even posting himself single on Facebook (guess what - he's NOT, there are no divorce papers YET - liar!). The only explanation I can find for this behaviour is that he never grew up from that small child mentality where it was all about him. How he could cut himself off entirely from my feelings in the worst snow conditions on record in this town since 1967 without the slightest showing of care or concern.... well I think that if he is not an alien, he must be Satan's son... Okay I am just venting and angry but I do think a very important "feeling" part of him is missing in his brain or he is cut off from the deep soul understanding.

But more to the truth, I am really working hard not to feel devalued, not wanting to buy into any good "reason" for his having thrown me away like trash. It is very hard not to take it personally, particularly when I used to really respect his opinion. Maybe he is a Jekyll and Hyde dual personality and had a double life... but I like the alien story best.




I can only tell you what I've been experiencing. It's like the pain is so intense that I am physically wretching. It compounds and it doesn't feel peaceful at all. Then I say to myself, okay pain "hi here you are again." And then I think about this idea of being closer to God (or as Dottie says insert deity / universal concept of your choice). It's like riding waves - they are intense then they come down. Then at times the feelings do get replaced with something like peace -something saying all is meant for a reason and this is for higher growth. There is a purpose here, though I don't know what it is right now. That all is as it should be, and in pain there does feel like this "closeness to God". I think "acceptance" vs resistance helps. Almost all my pain comes from thoughts and I can't stop every thought. I saw his car unexpectedly the other day and that caused all sorts of unexpected pain. But I just say okay, let it through... It's like by accepting it is doesn't get stopped up but can flow through a tunnel and eventually out from inside of me....




I know what you mean and I can't explain why sometimes we have those experiences and sometimes we don't. I've had plenty of those experiences with my Merlin, and I know he is still fully connected to me. I just wonder if things happen as they do for reasons we may sometimes not yet know. Gordon Smith, medium, talks about some people not coming through at certain times sometimes for good reasons. Like their coming through could interfere with life lessons or disrupt our emotions in worse ways that we can't right now understand. It's weird but I even dreamed about Zeus last night, but never Zita or Ziggy (so far).

I think I did mention the 3d thing that happened. It was summer of this year before Ziggy got shot. I was walking around the side of the house, not thinking about anything much at all and I saw Zita - straight on, almost solid, but as soon as I looked straight at her she just as quickly faded away. I have seen glimpses of both her and Ziggy (more so at the beginning with Ziggy) but this was the most vivid one. What was interesting was that I wasn't thinking about her at all. I think when our minds desperately want answers we sometimes block information from coming through.

>That's what I've found, when I've been lucky enough to actually experience what concurrently being the "silent >witness/observer" is like. It's only happened for very short bursts of time, like a few seconds here and there, but the >effect I've noticed is that those moments seem to sort of take the edge off pain. So I can imagine that if one were able to >sit in that longer, much pain might just naturally soften or even leave for good. Don't know how this really
>works, but that was its natural effect, regardless.


Yes I think in those instances the mind goes to a place of peace. I too have only experienced it momentarily, but I find that my acceptance of the pain is also making me having very, very vivid dreams. I had a very interesting dream last night which I'd love to share, but it's kinda long, and kinda weird. Maybe I'll post it later.

>While my comment certainly isn't a promotion for killing oneself, I actually don't believe in that idea...that you're utterly >doomed if you suicide. I believe you still "go into the light" and are helped by other most-loving souls there, but that you >still have to work through whatever brought you to that point, so more accurately, YOU are still the one creating your >suffering, even in the spirit realms.

I completely agree. I believe that it is we that are our own worst judges and critics, but there is always forgiveness to everyone. If we haven't worked through stuff and we do ourselves in, the problems are not "gone", they are still there to work on. I also believe that for those who have committed suicide there are helpers both on that side and those on this side who send those people prayers and love. Love and prayer are very powerful and help to raise any low vibration like sadness, grief, despair.

So on that note - sending all of you much love ...

Jan.

Wow Nemo's Mom - that's fascinating.

I just read something a couple of days ago about Edgar Cayce. He was about to go into an elevator but noticed something very strange - none of the people in the elevator had auras. Cayce saw auras just naturally. He decided not to get on the elevator. Something broke and the elevator crashed down and all were killed. What that would suggest is that the fate of those in that situation was predetermined. I don't think everything is predetermined but some things are.

Another kind of strange thing that I've thought about is that my Ziggy was shot on August 23rd which was the day that x-h's previous wife died. Then Ziggy died on August 28th, which was the day my other ex's previous wife died. That was a very significant even in my life because she drowned at the age of 38 and it was a pivotal point in my life. (She was also the same age as me) I have always wondered if those dates happened as a sign to say that this indeed was meant to happen for higher learning. But on the other hand, the shooter had a choice. Maybe there was a likeliness of this happening. If this didn't happen for this higher learning, maybe something else would have.




I completely agree. A person who commits suicide is suffering so much and I believe that healing is always there for those who want it. I don't believe in hell, except that which we create ourselves from our own thoughts and judgements. Someone who commits suicide is already living a personal hell.


>I believe we are very spiritual beings, and after Ren's passing, I had so many signs that he is still here with me. I do >believe I saw a purple aura that was his on two different occasions. It was a purple light hovering in my room, and it >didn't go away.

That's neat. I saw a light shining next to a lady's head yesterday. I don't know what it was but it seemed like an "orb". I've never seen that before and I don't know who or what it was. And no I wasn't eating or smoking anything weird.

>I think there is probably a lot more to our existence than we can ever realize. After all, they are starting to discover from >quantum physics that molecules actually pop in and out of existence, meaning they go somewhere else not of this world... >another universe, place, dimension, ect., who knows? And they also think there are an infinite number of universes. >They define our universe as a membrane, where everything is connected. I even recently read that they think they can >eventually bend the time/space continum to where we can step into another universe. Very intriguing stuff....


Yes very intriguing!

Here's some stuff I found awhile back on the internet (can't find the link right now):

***
The Implications of Quantum Nonlocality
At the quantum level, instantaneous actions occur at a distance. Two particles that are part of a single system continue to act in concert with one another no matter how far apart they appear to be separated by spacetime.
Nonlocality or nonseparability is asking us to revise completely our ideas about objects, to remove a pervasive projection we have upon nature. We can no longer consider objects as independently existing entities that can be localized in well-defined regions of spacetime. They are interconnected in ways not even conceivable using ideas from classical physics, which is largely a refinement and extrapolation from our normal macroscopic sense of functioning. (Mansfield, 1995, p.122).

Nature has shown us that our concept of reality, consisting of units that can be considered as separate from each other, is fundamentally wrong. For this reason, Bell's theorem may be the most profound discovery of science. (Kafatos and Kafatou, 1991, 64-65).
Quantum nonlocality proves that "particles that were once together in an interaction remain in some sense parts of a single system which responds together to further interactions" (Gribbin, 1984). Since the entire universe originated in a flash of light known as the Big Bang, the existence of quantum nonlocality points toward a profound cosmological holism and suggests that
If everything that ever interacted in the Big Bang maintains its connection with everything it interacted with, then every particle in every star and galaxy that we can see "knows" about the existence of every other particle. (Gribbin, 1984).


***

If we believe this stuff, it would mean doing unto others is really doing unto oneself! And of course that we will always be connected to our furkids (and even our rotten x-h's).

Jan.

Amen to that one. I don't miss hearing x-sd's pounding, violent F You music. I took her ipod away for a month, that's a big part of why I was given villain /scapegoat status.

>And lest I forget, All the goodies will be legal..........

But you won't need 'em 'cause you'll be feeling all that love!!

Jan.